Have you ever thought about your relationship with alcohol? Relationships are an important experience in our lives, but why don’t we prioritize understanding our relationships with alcohol? In today’s episode, Jenn Kautsch joins us to share about her own relationship with alcohol and why she created Sober Sis, a community and 21-day reset challenge. Listen in as she shares about being sober curious and take back control of your relationship with alcohol.
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Meet Jenn Kautsch:
Jenn’s Childhood Memory
As Jenn has gotten older, she’s realized that her childhood was pretty wonderful. While it wasn’t perfect, she was blessed with what she had. One of her favorite memories centers around her entrepreneurial spirit. She loved hosting lemonade stands, pretending to create shops, and selling products. Her parents were always very supportive of these adventures!
That stuck with her into adulthood when she and her husband became third-generation entrepreneurs and owned their own business.
The Start of an Unhealthy Relationship with Alcohol
Throughout Jenn’s young adult years in the early 90’s, she wasn’t a drinker. She wasn’t drawn to alcohol at all and began building her life and family instead. It wasn’t until her young 30’s that her relationship with alcohol started. As an entrepreneur, this was during a low season when her retail store wasn’t going well during the dot com movement.
In looking for a transition out of retail, Jenn found the networking scene that revolved around happy hours and nightlife. She realized that she had been in mom-mode for so long that she’d never experienced this life—ultimately questioning why and diving right in.
She jumped into the social scene where “mommy juice” and “wine culture” was just getting popular. She felt like she’s an adult now and this is what she’s supposed to do. It was her positive right of passage.
The first sip of wine in the hotel lobby hit different for Jenn in her early 30’s than in her early 20’s. She was much older and had a lot of life stress with marriage and children. While she wasn’t the crazy partying college student, she was a mom under pressure—drinking felt like liquid gold.
The Glamorization of Alcohol
Alcohol is a substance that is glamorized and encouraged in our society. When someone has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol, it is a real struggle to take control of it.
For Jenn, she was trying to navigate not being caught up in the rules of alcohol. She wanted to be a “moderate” drinker. So in her 30’s, she became a professional drinker—learning when to order, what to order, and how to pair drinks. She wasn’t paying attention to the effects, like throwing up in a parking lot on a date with her husband. It wasn’t cool.
There was a mental tug-of-war for her and confusion. Rather than seeing a problem, she thought she simply needed to get better at drinking because so many of her peers were drinking. Therefore, she tried to manage her drinking habits, yet she didn’t have the freedom to drink what she wanted, when she wanted.
From 40-45, she faced the most challenging years of her life raising a teenager. So much was happening, which meant the alcohol was teed up to become a clutch (rather than a social reward or pleasantry). She didn’t just want it, she felt like she needed alcohol.
Taking Control of Your Relationship with Alcohol
After years of being stuck in the detox, retox loop of doing the right thing by day, then drinking the stress away at night, Jenn was ready to change. On Christmas day of 2017, an idea sparked in Jenn to not only take control of her relationship with alcohol, but to help other women take control of their alcohol.
That’s when Sober Sis was born. There was no rock bottom that Jenn hit or a realization that she had a major drinking problem. She just wanted to reset that relationship that she’d found as a coping mechanism.
If you’re in a similar space, stop asking yourself, “Is is bad enough?” Stop comparing yourself to others, because it’s a trap. Instead, No matter where you are in the drinking spectrum, ask yourself the following question: “Is it good enough?” Is it taking you where you want to go? Are you showing up in your own life?
If there’s ever a value of a sober mind rising, it is now! In Jenn’s 21 day reset experience, they focus on comparing yourself to the best person you can be.
If you’re wondering how to navigate your sober journey in situations where social drinking is important, Jenn has created a Survival Guide for you.
Navigating the Sober Sis Lifestyle
Jenn has been through this journey herself, trying things like creating rules around drinking, trusting will power, and deprivation mindset; none of which worked for her. Instead, have a plan in place with an alternative or change in routine so that you’re set up for success. Again, make sure you grab Jenn’s survival guide!
Connect with Jenn:
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If you want to read the transcript, check it out below:
Susan Crews
Have you ever thought about your relationship with alcohol? Relationships? Isn’t that what life is all about? Your relationship with God or a higher source? Your relationship with yourself? Your relationship with others? What about your relationship with money? Well, why should we think about or question our relationship with alcohol? In today’s episode, you are going to meet the amazing Jen couch. She has had over 200,000 people download her happy hour Survival Guide, and over 30,000 people complete or participate in her 21 Day reset challenge. Enjoy today’s episode and learn all about creating a great relationship with alcohol. Are you dreaming of having the time and energy to create a life you love? Is your calendar full of events? And you’re thinking there’s no time for me? Do you look like you have it all together on the outside, but on the inside, you’re a hot mess. You’re frustrated and tired all the time. Susan Crews shines the light on successful women in a few men who have busted the exhaustion cycle by prioritizing herself released any guilt and have found inner peace while creating a life they love filled with harmony. Join Susan’s candid conversations to learn how these successful women illuminated their inner life to create a radiant life. Welcome to the radiant soul sisters.
Susan Crews
Radiant soul sisters, I am so excited about today’s episode, I have an acquaintance I’m going to call her but I really have gotten to know her better than she realized because I have been in one of her 21 day programs which we’re going to talk about that in a little bit. But today I have on the show, Jen couch. And Jen is best known as the sober sis, she has created an amazing community of women who have chosen to become alcohol free. Or maybe have a little I don’t know, Jim can talk more about that living in the gray space. Is that what you call it? Gin,
Jenn Kautsch
the gray area drinking zone. Okay, okay.
Susan Crews
But anyway, I I just could not be more thrilled to have Jin here today. And I think it is at a crucial time or a great time that we are connecting because I was telling Jen earlier, I believe that there is a great awakening going on. And people are realizing that we don’t necessarily need alcohol to an air quoting listeners medicate ourselves. And so that is why it was so important for me to bring Jen on the show. Today we’re going to talk a little bit about her. We’re going to talk about her programs where you can jump in she’s got some really cool things happening in 2023. And I can tell you what, ladies, her radiant soul shines. Jen, thank you for being here today with me.
Jenn Kautsch
I appreciate it. Susan, this is gonna be really fun.
Susan Crews
I think so to Jen. Before we jump into the meat of it. One of the things I love to do is give myself and our listeners a little glimpse into like, who you are what created you and I always like to hear like, what is one of your favorite childhood memories?
Jenn Kautsch
Oh, I love that question. Susan. I love that question. And, you know, I was really fortunate that the older I get and the more people I get to know, the more I realized how fortunate I was to have the childhood I had. It was not perfect. My parents weren’t perfect, but boy do I have a lot of great memories. So it is hard to choose one but I would say for me I was that little entrepreneur girl. I was the I was your neighborhood friend that always had the lemonade stand that always was rollerskating in my front driveway and having restaurants in my backyard. I was I was that little girl that I love to make things create little stores and little shops and I just remember my parents really encouraging that in me it was to was to have that joy of making something putting it out there and seeing if someone else wanted to enjoy it and having that that whole turnaround So it just brings me back. I was I was that girl that always had a lemonade stand.
Susan Crews
So so my question is, before you started sober says, Were you an entrepreneur or in business for yourself? Or were you working for someone else?
Jenn Kautsch
Oh my gosh, that is such a great question because I am a third generation entrepreneur. Okay, and so as my husband, so we both came from family owned businesses that our dads inherited from their grandfather’s black, which is pretty amazing. So when we got married in back in 1995, it’s been a while, right? We were in actually full time Christian work, we were in full time ministry for our first couple of years married, right, and then really realized God had given us gifts and talents in the business world. And so we started our own entrepreneurship journey together, married since that time, we’ve owned multiple businesses, but always been entrepreneurs, right. I really did stay at home with our kids, though, the majority of the time they were growing up and always had a side hustle. That was Yeah, I was the mom that always had the side business, but the mom full time, that was my lineage.
Susan Crews
And it’s so interesting, and how our stories parallel, because I too, was raised by entrepreneurs. And it was taught really to be to be your own boss, even though my father would tell me growing up, you can be CEO of any business you want. It can be your own, or it can be someone else’s, but you can do it, you know, so I never had him limiting me in that way. But I do find it fascinating that those of us who were raised in that entrepreneurial world, a lot of us stay there, and I always say I’d be a horrible employee.
Jenn Kautsch
I know my husband, I joke we we’ve never gotten a paycheck right? Outside of what we’ve, you know, produced or really God’s blessed us with, but it’s been raining shot, you know, it’s been when it rains, it pours, or it’s the desert. I mean, it’s really something else. So we’ve, we’ve had a lot of ebbs and flows through business life. And at times, that’s been really stressful. It’s really ties into my drinking story.
Susan Crews
Well, there you go. So let’s jump into that. Ladies, Jen started the sober sis, or the idea came to her at Christmas in 2017. And she shared with me a little earlier that she really didn’t know what she was going to do with this idea and how it came to her. As I mentioned, she has created the sober sis, and she has a beautiful 21 Day program for women. But Jen, give us a little bit of that background story, a little bit of the drinking story and why this how this all came to fruition. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker
absolutely. So some things I’ve already mentioned in kind of piece together. I got married to my college sweetheart in 1995. I was already graduated, he had just literally graduated college the day we got married. Oh, wow. Not kidding, wow. We couldn’t wait a day longer. Because I’d already been out of school for a couple years. So I’ve been waiting all that time, right. So we just decided to get married the day he graduated Texas Tech. That was awesome. And so really all through my, my younger years, my college years and my 20s I was actually not really a drinker, I was in a sorority at a state school, super active, very social. But I think for me, drinking just was not a draw didn’t have a pull on me, quite honestly, back then to date myself, you know, back in the early 90s. That was before cell phones and Ubers. And it kind of looked for me just my personality kind of looked a little bit like dangerous got it out of control. I can look around and see that it was sometimes not working that great for for my friends and other gals who were you know, kind of in compromised positions. And I thought, Oh, I don’t that just isn’t a it’s not the draw for me. So probably God protecting me from myself at that time, but really just started building a life a family in my 20s. So if I hadn’t started drinking by then it didn’t really grow up with a lot of alcohol around me. It wasn’t time to get started. Right. So my my relationship with alcohol really started in my young 30s. And as I mentioned being the entrepreneurs that we are, we’ve had some real highs and some real lows and we weren’t a real low during that At time, we owned a retail store here in Fort Worth, that had been going well before the internet. going really great before the dot coms got out there in the big box stores. But we really were struggling as a kind of a mom pa store. So we were looking for a way out of that business into another. And so when my husband was trying to make that transition out of retail into real estate, I thought, well, goodness, I’ve got, you know, a mind that thinks like a business woman, I have my marketing degree, I would love to use it. My kids at that point had just gotten around school age, they were four and five years old, just kind of pre K and, you know, kindergarten and like, still really little. So I wanted to be still at home with them. But I also wanted to start back to working. So I found a home based business where I could do a lot of the stuff while they were at school on the phone and to do my meetings in the evening. Right? Well, that led me into a kind of a whole different culture of this nightlife around networking and happy hours, which I because I was kind of in the mom, mom zone there for a minute just having the kiddos and being at home with him as babies, I wasn’t really in that scene. So it really kind of catapulted me at age 32, 33 into now, wait a minute, I’m a grown up. I’m a grown woman out working. This is what other grown women are doing. Why am I not? Why don’t I jumped into kind of the social scene of this is what grownups do. This is how we relax. This is evidently how we unwind. The mommy juice wine culture had just really that was kind of early 2000s had really started picking up momentum around then. Where is it? It had not been there. As much before moms were not as marketed to the working woman was not marketed to the same way that we are now everyone is now. But so I was really I was really kind of thrust into this kind of trifecta of the culture changing my own life changing. And then really, I just I saw it is kind of a positive rite of passage, almost as if I had almost been missing out and now is kind of my time to really begin partaking in this adult adulting. So that’s that’s kind of how drinking entered in my life, having it not be central at all for a good solid decade into my adult life. And I gotta tell you, Susan, that first drink wine Zinfandel. At the hotel lobby, there was real memorable for me, because I was so much older and had, at that point, a lot of life stress and marriage and children. It wasn’t like I was a crazy partying, college student out just kind of having a crazy time. I was a working mom, that was under a tremendous amount of pressure and stress. And so when I really started drinking initially, it felt like liquid gold. It felt like, literally, I drank it. And it so quickly relaxed my mind and my body because, as you mentioned earlier, it can be almost as if it’s a medication because it’s so an SSI thing to numb out a lot of those initial feelings that we have of anxiety and stress, which was real appealed to me. It really lured me in.
Susan Crews
Do you know there two times in your in your story there, Jen that I got goosebumps number one, when you were talking about the mommy juice or the wine o’clock what you know, I don’t drink wine. I drink beer, if I have anything, just because that was what I drank. When I was younger, I drink like in my college days I drank. But then when I started having children, I’m like, How can I be a mom and take care of these little beings and have anything to drink? So there were many, many, many years that I didn’t drink. And then as my children left the nest was kinda when I started drinking. And as I told you earlier, before we started the show, you know, I was all of a sudden I’m like, Whoa, wait, is this the life I want? And you know how to really realize that as well. And the other thing is, for me, I look at my granddaughters and grandsons and I’m like, Okay, what do I want them to see? Right. So that helps me, you know, a lot make not a lot of times made my choices. But you said that and then the other thing that you said is that it was so easy to slip into that because it relaxed you so much. And that’s the story, Jen that we hear over and over again, right? You know, life is not easy.
Unknown Speaker
Not at all, not at all. And when you’ve got a substance, like alcohol that’s so glamorized, and so accepted in our society not only accepted, but literally promoted. Right? It’s a real challenge to navigate. And so for me, I was trying to navigate not being caught up in rules, or this black and white all or nothing thinking I really wanted to, to figure out initially a way to kind of be that moderate drinker. And so I really spent my 30s if you will, coming up professional drinker, as far as like, you know, learning when to order, what to order, what goes with what all the things about drinking, which I really didn’t know, I was really fairly naive. I really was naive to like, Whoa, that its effects. It’s not cool, ladies, it’s not cool. If you’ve done it and been there done it, you know, to have an epic fail, like, you know, throwing up in a parking lot after a date night with your husband at age 35. Like, that’s not cool. And I it was never my goal or intent, obviously. And so there was immediately for me a lot of that cognitive dissonance, a lot of the mental tug of war, and I felt, I felt ashamed. But I also felt confused because I thought, well, I just need to get better at this, I really just need to handle my alcohol better. I just need to get better at this. And that’s really what I what I set out to do was was almost get better at drinking instead of drink less. I actually just tried to manage my drinking habits in a way that served me the most to be able to drink whatever I wanted when I wanted and I thought that I had that freedom. But what I come to find was I didn’t really have the freedom to drink what I wanted, when I wanted like I do now because my 40s Now ladies, let’s talk about that. That next season of life my 40s really 40 to 45 were probably the most challenging years of my lifetime. My oldest turned 13 The same year I turned 40 Okay, oh, you know, we got some we got some hormones going on. We’ve got some teenager angst going on. We’ve got a nervous Nellie mother going on. A lot was happening. And so alcohol at that point was really teed up. It was just ready to ready to go in my life to become what had turned what had started out to be kind of a social reward and pleasantry and something to look forward to five o’clock was starting to become kind of like the best part of my day, to wow, I really need a glass of wine or beer because I’m also drink a lot of beer. So it became something that I was like, No, I don’t just want it kind of feel like I need it. Right to cope with the emotions that I’m having with the fear. I’m feeling with the boredom. I’m experiencing with sometimes the loneliness, even being married, having children, I talked to so many women who experience there’s just still a bit of a loneliness sometimes that I think those of us serving our families and loving our husbands loving our families, I love my husband and I love my kids. But there was a times where I felt really small, in my own family, like my voice was kind of didn’t really matter, kind of, you know, in the way and so I really kind of tried to an exercise that down to and I numb that down. And I didn’t realize while I was doing that I was actually shrinking even smaller, right and losing a lot of my voice and my resilience because every time I tried to numb out the anxiety, I was also numbing out the joy exam every time I tried to outsource my strength or ability to do hard things to a substance. It’s actually undermining my own ability to do hard things. Right. And you
Susan Crews
know, Jen, I work with a lot of women that that is exactly what their problem is. They have these successful wives write their successful business women or their successful moms or, you know, they have on the outside, they look like they have it all together, right. But on the inside, they’re exhausted, because they don’t know who they are. And that was me, that was me when I was 46. And all of a sudden, you know, I am exhausted. I don’t know who I am when children go into college. And you know, I love all those parts. But I needed to find Susan and and I think you’re right that many women choose alcohol over trying to figure out who they really are. And that’s it. And let’s, we’re going to talk about now I really want to dive into your programs a little bit and talk about it. Listeners, I have been through Jen’s 21 Day Program. And there’s several things that I love about it. Jin knows the tools, please hear me loud and clear, she has incredible tools. If this is something you’re thinking about, if you’re thinking about the alcohol free life, this girl knows how to do it, she’s got the tools for you. And she’s created community. She has a large community that we all get to be a part of. But then when you’re in the 21 day program, you’re only with the people in that 21 days, and she connects you through Marco Polo. So Jim, that’s my perception from being a participant, it was extremely fruitful and a great experience. Tell us about it, how you got started doing it, you have helped hundreds of 1000s of people in a wide range of ways. Talk to us.
Unknown Speaker
Well, it has been really humbling for me to be that one o’clock drinker that was stuck in that detox retox loop doing all the right things by day and then just kind of undoing it to go from from just really not having productivity and my evenings or really having a purpose and a passion. After raising kids to now being able to do this full time have a team of people really use the gifts and talents that definitely God’s given me, ultimately, to guide people towards more freedom. And, and, and I love it now I can’t imagine doing anything else with my time. And and really what I’ve been through because like you said, I know the tools because I’ve tried them all.
Susan Crews
Try Oh, there Yeah, that work
Jenn Kautsch
to find the tools that do work. And I want to pick up on something you said that really resonated with me. And that is, I looked good on the outside. I really did. And I think that that was part of the conundrum, that dilemma I was in. Because my drinking did not have an external consequence. There was no rock bottom, there was nothing outside of my own me and my relationships right here, just really in these up bore walls that really would have noticed anything different about my drinking than someone else’s. I had asked myself for many, many years the wrong question that really kept me stuck for a long time. And so if your listeners are processing what we’re talking about and starting to think, well, do I have a problem? Or do I need to change my relationship with alcohol? I would invite you to ask yourself this question, because I didn’t ask it for a long time. And this was the question that helped me the most no matter where you are in the drinking spectrum, which there is one and that leads us to that gray area zone where there is a full blown drinking spectrum and you may not be physically addicted or at the end of the spectrum, like I wasn’t either. And that’s really where I work is in the middle of the drinking spectrum, which is where I was, I could quote Take it or leave it physically speaking, but mentally, emotionally, I was pretty hooked in. But I asked myself the wrong question. For years, I kept asking myself, Well, is it bad enough? Like Jen really? Is it bad enough? And then I was like, no look at so and so book club, or look at the stereotype on TV. I’m not like that. I’m not doing that yet. And so I kept comparing myself to others. And every time I did comparison, we know comparisons a bit of a trap, because you can always find someone better off and someone worse off right than us. So every time I wanted to feel good about my drinking, I just found somebody further down the drinking spectrum than I was. And comparatively speaking, I was doing all right. I was doing pretty good. I kept getting up every morning, getting my kids to school, having a great You know, prayer and meditation time hitting the morning yoga class juicing my kale. I’m like, Dude, come on. That’s pretty good. I’m getting her done. And so the wrong question is, is it bad enough? The right question is, is it good enough? Is this good enough? For me? Not isn’t bad enough? isn’t good enough? Is it taking me places I want to go? Am I showing up in my own life the way I want to, like you mentioned earlier, there’s kind of an awakening going on, where people are like, Wait, I gotta look alive. I kind of look alive in my own life, there’s a lot happening in our world is extremely chaotic and stressful. If we’re dulled and asleep at the wheel, we’re not going to know what to do, we’re not going to know how to navigate these times. If there’s ever a value of a sober mind rising, it is now. And so I really feel passionate about that. So that’s asking more of the right question. isn’t good enough? And so that’s a lot of what we probe in the 21 day reset experience, instead of trying to compare yourself to the worst drinker, you know, is really comparing yourself to the best person you think you can be.
Susan Crews
Oh, I love that. Once again, you’re comparing yourself to you. Yeah, and you know, and one thing that that I’ve been telling myself for the past couple of years is I just want to be 1% better today than I was yesterday. Doesn’t have to be major steps. Just 1% Right. And if you’re awake 1% And, and sometimes I hear you in my head saying, Okay, girl, do you want to wake up with that head, that nagging headache, and I’m not a headache person, but I can tell you, you know, even two beers, I can feel that headache in there. Because number one, I’m sensitive to the wheat and the gluten, and then the alcohol, you know, it’s just like, dullness. Drink some water and eat something and you’re good to go. Right. All right. But uh, but is that what you want? That that is? I love love that magic question. So listeners, Jenn has a survival guide that she will share with us. Will you tell us where we can get that?
Jenn Kautsch
Sure can Yeah, it’s easy. If you go to sober ces.com. It’s my most easy website to remember if you go to just www dot sober ces.com. That’s exactly what I have for you. I would love for any, any woman who’s sober, curious or just thinking then how do I navigate one o’clock tonight, or you may be going to an event this weekend or? Or when you hear this? You may be thinking, Oh, I’ve got I’ve got this vacation or this wedding coming up? I don’t want to overdo it. In fact, maybe I don’t want to drink at all. How do I even begin? Where do I even start? In an alcohol centric society? Have you even navigate that socially speaking, where you don’t get, you know, ask 1000 questions or judged. There’s also sometimes there’s a stigma and stereotype around all aspects of alcohol, whether you’re overdoing it or not drinking at all. And so I think knowing how to navigate that’s important. So I’d love to just share some five basic strategies. Let’s do tools that do work. Please. Like I said, I’ve used a lot of tools that didn’t work. Well, I trust you. Yeah, I tried all those two from really age 40 to 45. I really wrestled in my relationship with alcohol stop, start stop, start. I was like a yo yo drinker, instead of a yo, yo Dieter. I mean, I would just stop start
Susan Crews
in June.
Jenn Kautsch
Yeah. Over or I think I’m never drinking again. And then three days later, I’m just right back at it. So did that for so long. That I tried that didn’t work. I’ve got the counter tool that does work. So if you Okay, what did not work for me was? Well, first off, was just rules. I tried anyone else out there know what I mean? I tried a lot of rules around my drinking. Like, I’ll only drink on the weekends, not during the week. I’ll only if you’re a wine drinker. You know, I’ll only drink white, not red. Because surely it’s read. It’s giving me the headaches, you know, or I’ll only drink with others I’ll only drink with when I’m out. I’ll never drink at home alone. Like while I’m cooking or doing dishes. So those were a lot of my rules. But the problem was I could follow my own rules until I lost the willpower and broke my own roles. And that’s another thing I tried that didn’t work was willpower, just sheer willpower because there’s Something that I teach a lot about that sets in, which is something called decision fatigue. What happens is, as women out there, we wake up and we hit the ground running. And I know that your audience is successful, they’re go getters, they’re, they’re getting it done. They’re in those see roles. As we make a lot of decisions right out the day, and about three o’clock in the afternoon, we’re getting tired, we’re getting real tired of flexing that mental muscle of deciding, deciding, deciding. So if we haven’t pre decided, which is one of my tools that works, you must pre decide. Because if you try to decide when you get there in the moment, that’s more than likely you’re toast, it’s not going to really work because that decision fatigue by five o’clock, or one o’clock, right totally sets in. And the thought of making one more decision, especially a decision that may tap into that deprivation mindset, which also didn’t work for me. If I was trying to motivate myself by depriving myself to get something that I really wanted, which was alcohol free, or freedom. It didn’t work by depriving myself I had to look at what I was gaining, not what I was losing. So deprivation mindset is all about I just, this is going to be miserable. I just had to deprive myself, white knuckling it muster up all the willpower I’ve got, I mean, I worked out at 10 o’clock this morning. Surely I can use that same willpower at five o’clock tonight. And all it just doesn’t translate over. Right? Right. Yeah. So pre deciding is key. And pre planning is also key. So when that opportunity rolls around, where you would normally pop that bottle of wine, you know, open that beer, when you would normally reach for a drink, you really need to have a plan in place with an alternative, a change in routine, started walking my dogs in the evening, I started going to the grocery store earlier in the day, not later in the day, I there’s a lot of practical things that you can do to set yourself up for success. And I wasn’t doing any of those yet expecting to have this victory at five o’clock. And yet, I was really set up for defeat in breaking promises to myself, which was incredibly painful.
Susan Crews
You know, why is it we can keep these promises to everybody else, right. And then when we make these big promises to ourselves, they’re oftentimes hard to keep. And one of the things that I did when I was going through your 21 day program is we have a beverage cooler in our kitchen, right? You know, that’s what you do right when you’re doing a house. But anyway, I have all kinds of water now in there. So that instead of reaching for a beer there, there’s beer in there. But instead of reaching for a beer, it’s just as easy to reach for that can of water or that bottle of water. It might be sparkling water. You know, I watch the ingredients that are in it. But I have an easy option. And it’s cause you reminded me, you got to have a plan girl? Because if I didn’t have anything else in there, what would I have it? Open it and grab the beer,
Jenn Kautsch
and mindless you know, that’s so much of what what I talk about, it’s less about sobriety or being sober. It’s more about being sober minded, which is getting off of autopilot. What I’m passionate about helping women do is live intentionally live with purpose and intention and not mindless sipping, not autopilot drinking, I worked with women who just want to drink less, or not at all. And I think it’s important to know that you can enter in something like my 21 Day reset program, just in an effort to take a break because I think too often programs out there that are offered for people that want to renegotiate their relationship with alcohol, you almost have to walk in like you’re done. And I just don’t think that it works that way. I think that you might discover through the journey of sober mindedness that you drink less and less and if you’re anything like my own experience, I just started drinking less. And then I became more mindful. And then I discovered I just didn’t really want to drink anymore. I wanted to not want it Susan that was my goal all along. I wanted to not want it so bad. Right and that to me was freedom not not not pulling something away from me that I wanted but just wasn’t having I wanted to not want it and and finally you know found that freedom but it took a lot of practice it took a lot of practice. So I needed a place. And that’s really I created what I wished I would have found, I created a place where you can walk in and go, You know what I don’t think I like my relationship with drinking feels a little bit out of balance, okay? So a little bit off kilter, a little bit unhealthy. But I don’t know, if I’m never going to drink again, that’s pretty extreme. That’s a big deal to say that or live that way. So the invitation is not to walk in and say you’re going to quit drinking forever, the invitation is to be able to walk in set the drinking aside, it’s always going to be there. And really give yourself the opportunity for self discovery and curiosity and learning about yourself and learning about alcohol instead of just trying to avoid it, deny it, or wrestle it to the ground, pin it down, and just act like you’re done. When you’ve had no practice doing that.
Susan Crews
You know, there, there’s some key words that I hear you say, and you use first off, you really talk about your relationship with alcohol, you know, not walking in thinking I gotta kick it to the curb, but But what is that relationship? You know, why
Jenn Kautsch
are we drinking it?
Susan Crews
And why are we drinking and, and that’s so critical in so many areas of our life, right? You know, so many areas, but that was one thing. And now like I’m having a senior moment, the other, the other one, it’ll come back to me and I’ll come back to typical, that’s okay. That’s our age. Okay. Yeah, that’s our age, or my age anyway. But you know, Jen, you, as I mentioned earlier, you’ve got some really great things going on, you’ve got this wonderful program listeners, it happens from the first to the 21st. Every month, it will be linked in the show notes. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to Jin, or if you choose to pick my mind, reach out to me through socials and I can share my experience in going through her program. But I also know you have some other things that I can we let the cat out of the bag. You can Okay screen. Okay, perfect. Perfect. So oh, this was the other one. So we we both mentioned the word awaken. Right. And, and we talked about that. So you have a book coming out this spring? Tell us the name of your book, and when we should expect to see it?
Jenn Kautsch
Yes. Okay. So after you’ve gotten to know me a little bit in this conversation, I think the book title will make even more sense. It’s called look alive, sis. Look alive in your own life, your own one amazing life that only you can live. So look alive is all about awakening, that sober mind that sober mind of being awake, alert and present in your own life. So this book that I’ve got coming out in April, it’s all about that. It’s a 40 day reader. So these are 40, standalone, little, little readings that you can take in on a daily basis that just keep your mind engaged on being present. And I share stories and experiences. So unlike a lot of books, where it’s a biography or a page, you know, one to the end, where you have to read it in chronological order, or it’s, this is more like a like a 40 day reader. So you can refer back to it when you need encouragement, I elaborate on some of the tools that I share in my guide, and in the 21 day reset challenge, even in the book. And I hope that it’s a real encouragement to others just again, who might be sober, curious, or on this sober minded journey.
Susan Crews
I’m sure that it will be and I will be looking out for your book. I can’t wait to get my hands on it. One other exciting thing, ladies Jen is busy or productive is really what I would like to say. And she’s on a mission. It is a God inspired journey that she has been through in mission to support other women in creating a great relationship with alcohol as well as yourself. So the other super fun thing that she has come in is a live event. And I’m gonna let Jen share with us a little bit about that too.
Jenn Kautsch
Oh my gosh, yes. Susan, I’m so excited about this. I had one other live services event it was in October of 2019. Okay, so before COVID the pandemic all the craziness that really the last three years, we’ve not come together live as a group as a community. And now because vs has grown so much in really the whole movement, if you will, I really feel like there is a sober curious See movement out there of many people that really are exploring this lifestyle. Women are looking for events where they can really drill down into their presence being authentically connecting with other people. And so I’ve created a live event that’s happening for women only. But it’s for women inside sober sis who have done the 21 day reset and beyond, as well as other women who maybe are just wanting to check out sober SIS or are sober, curious or happened to live in the area and think I do want to go to an event where quite honestly, alcohol is not invited. Oftentimes, alcohol is the guest of honor. If you if you think about it, if you think about a wedding, or celebration, it’s like, What are we drinking? It’s like, what’s your signature cocktail? It’s like, oh, now the alcohol is out. Now we can dance. Now we can play now we can have fun. And I’m here to kind of change the narrative on that a little bit. And say, No, we’re going to have all the fun we can have possible. Without alcohol. That’d be blast.
Susan Crews
It sounded like get out out. Share one other thing. I don’t know if I should, but I’m gonna, Jin Jin did tell me that there might be a karaoke session. And I said, I will be a great listener because alcohol no alcohol seems, not something you guys want me to do in public? Oh, my gosh, Jen, thank you again for your time. Today. It is a privilege and an honor to be able to talk with you and to have you share everything you do with our listeners. And for that I am grateful. And listeners, I say this from the bottom of my heart. Really and truly if you are considering changing your relationship with alcohol or just exploring your relationship with alcohol, Jen is the girl to connect with because she understands and knows where you’re coming from. And I promise you, there will be no judgment, which is one of the things that I loved, loved about her program. So if you need to connect with Jen, all of her information will be in our show notes. And if you would like to connect with me, find me on my socials at Susan Crisco, or send me a message at Susan cruise. co.com. Thanks, Jen. Thank
Jenn Kautsch
you, Susan. It was fun.
Susan Crews
That was a fun episode of the radiant soul sisters. Thank you for choosing to tune in. Be sure to join me next week when I shine the light on another beautiful woman. Till then I’m Susan cruise, your host and be sure to check out my website at Susan cruise co.com where you will find all the podcast episodes and resources for our community.
